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    Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

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    Alexis Rhodes

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    Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Alexis Rhodes on Sun May 03, 2015 8:00 am

    I have found that a lot of players do not quite understand the phrase "Missing the Timing" So I'm going to quickly do this post explaining what it's all about Smile

    Missing the Timing is when an *Optional Trigger Effect* misses it's chance to activate.
    To locate an *Optional Trigger Effect* It will most often have this in the card text

    When _____________________: You can _____________________.

    So when something happens, you can do something. BUT if the last thing that happens isn't the requirement for activating (When ________) It cannot activate because it wasn't the last thing to happen. This is Missing the Timing.

    Now there are a few examples of this where things might get confusing. So click the spoilers below to see examples of Missing the Timing, and Not Missing the Timing.

    Tin Goldfish and Green Gadget:


    When this card is Normal Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 monster from your hand.


    When this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can add 1 "Red Gadget" from your Deck to your hand.

    So what we are doing here is Normal Summoning Tin Goldfish, then using his effect to Special Summon Green Gadget from our hand.
    Question is:
    Does Green Gadget's effect Miss the Timing?
    No
    The last thing to happen on Tin Goldfish's Effect. Is the Special Summoning of Green Gadget, allowing you to add the Red Gadget to your hand.


    Goblindbergh + Green Gadget:


    When this card is Normal Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower monster from your hand, then change this card to Defense Position if you activated this effect.


    When this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can add 1 "Red Gadget" from your Deck to your hand.

    So how about Goblindbergh?
    We Normal Summon Golbindbergh, to Special Summon Green Gadget.
    Does Green Gadget Miss the Timing?
    Yes
    Because this is what happens
    Normal Summon "Goblindbergh" > Special Summon "Green Gadget" > Switch "Goblindbergh" to defense mode.
    The last thing to happen here is switching Goblindbergh to defense mode. So Green Gadget is unable to search out Red Gadget

    Now there are some instances where you can get confused with this. So now i'm going to lightly brush SEGOC (Simultaneous Events Go On Chain).

    Kagetokage + Green Gadget:


    Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. When you Normal Summon a Level 4 monster: You can Special Summon this card from your hand. This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster.


    When this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can add 1 "Red Gadget" from your Deck to your hand.

    So here is what happens. You Normal Summon Green Gadget, the last thing to activate is Green Gadget being Summoned so you can now use Green Gadget's effect to search, however it is still the proper activation time for Kagetokage, so Kagetokage will also activate it's effect so they will start a chain as they are both Spell Speed 1, because of this they SEGOC. As they go on the same chain. So both effects will resolve.
    Why?
    Well the first thing to happen is Green Gadget is summoned.
    At this point, both "Kagetokage" and "Green Gadget" will both want to activate.
    Because the last thing to happen was Green Gadgets summon, it will get it's search.
    Because the last thing to happen was Green Gadgets summon, Kagetokage will be allowed to summon.
    ^They both happen Simultaneously

    That is it for today's lesson! I hope you learnt something new Smile

    Now it is your chance to earn some RP!

    HOMEWORK!!!!! (You Know You're Excited)
    This is for all dorms so feel free to post.

    You're homework for today is give me 1 example of missing the timing, and 1 example of not missing the timing. (for 50RP)
    For a bonus 25RP Also give me an example of a SEGOC (not mandatory)

    However there is a catch, you're NOT allowed to use an example someone else has already used Smile

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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by kingofblades on Sun May 03, 2015 1:04 pm

    here are the cards that will be used


    http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Geartown
    http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mystical_Space_Typhoon

    For this i will use two cards. You have gear town out and your opponent actives MST (Mystical space Typhoon) and destroys it. since no other card(s) is going into your graveyard you can now special summon an " Ancient  Gear" monster from your hand,deck or graveyard.

    If you use MST on your gear town this will happen. Yes both will go to the graveyard but Gear town go to the graveyard first because MST is a higher speed spell and before speed spells when you use a card like that the targets card always gets destroy first. Anyway your gear town will hit the grave first then MST would.

    would gear town effect go? No

    Why, Because in order for Gear town effect has to be the last card to hit the grave. you see gear town will hit the grave but shortly after that MST would go to the grave and Gear town would miss it timing because of it. It will not go to grave an active it effect off before MST hits the grave because both will hit the grave in a SEGOC  manner. So it will miss timing.

    I hope this is good enough and this is my example
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Alexis Rhodes on Sun May 03, 2015 1:26 pm

    King of blades you're not quite right about that one. Sorry DP not awarded
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by SQUIBBOO on Sun May 03, 2015 1:56 pm

    Missing the timing: Using Lightpulsar Dragon for a Synchro Summon, no special summon from Grave

    Not missing timing: Use Mask Change on Shadow Mist; You special summon Dark Law and you may activate Shadow Mist to still get your search.

    Why not take away 2 examples from you guys MiniK


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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Alexis Rhodes on Sun May 03, 2015 2:03 pm

    Correct, award yourself 50RP Very Happy
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by duckymomo101 on Sun May 03, 2015 2:55 pm

    Missing t.: using Allure of d., drawing blackwing breeze the zephros then banishing bora the spear. no special summon from zephros.

    Not missing t.: Using dark hole to nuke meklord army of wisel etc, you can special summon meklord emperor wisel from hand
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Alexis Rhodes on Sun May 03, 2015 3:04 pm

    momo once again you are sadly incorrect please re-read the lesson.
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Ptolemy on Sun May 03, 2015 8:52 pm

    Missing the timing : Tributing Botanical girl for a tribute summon,botanical girl doesn't activate
    Not missing the timing : Tributing Reborn Tengu for a tribute summon,Reborn Tengu will still activate
    SEGOC : Shining Angel attacking Shining Angel both activate at the same time and the chain link order is
    CL1 : Shining Angel which attacked - CL2 : Shining Angel which was attacked
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Alexis Rhodes on Sun May 03, 2015 8:59 pm

    Correct. 75RP awarded (get a mod/admin to do this for you)
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    Re: Missing the Timing? Finally Understood. (SEGOC too)

    Post by Neo☆ on Sun May 03, 2015 9:03 pm

    You've been doing a great Job so far rhodes. Its nice to have an active teacher posting and getting people into the discussions.

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